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I was distrustful of the ads, and the whole "If you vote for this ballot measure it will kill all the mining jobs" vibe. <br />I'm not here to tell anyone how to vote on this measure, but I think it is another example of how important it is to read the voter's handbook and really read these ballot measures for yourself. Don't believe the hype, Alaska, and don't be led around by the nose by whoever has the best advertising budget! <br />Personally, I find the implication in the "shell game" ads that we are too stupid to understand the "deceptive" ballot measure deeply insulting. From the chic and modern Monogram Perfo to the classic Louis Vuitton Wallets, our fake <br />Louis Vuitton Handbags are perfect imitations, indistinguishable from the real thing. The same goes for each and every item in our Louie Vuitton lines from our Louis Vuitton Bags to our Fendi handbags. <br />All of our fake Louis Vuitton Outlet are made to look and feel just like the originals. 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Industry spent zillions telling us it would put the cruise ships out of busines; they would reposition their ships somewhere else; the regs were too tough, couldn't be met; it would cost hundreds of jobs in Southeastnone of which, of course, was true. This might not be the best initiative to come out of the box, but, it will work until we come to our collective senses. <br />The point of my original post was to make a nonpartisan commentary on the scare tactics that many politcal ads use in our elections. <br />That being said, growing up in Colorado, and seing the impact of mining in Idaho and Montana, I have a great distrust when mining corporations say they will not trash the environment, or leave polluted water and gaping holes in the ground "this time". I've heard it before, and I've seen the damage. Sorry, mine industry, but I'm going to have a really hard time taking you at your word. <br />I am not a screeching liberal environmentalist, I'm just someone who has been lied to before, and is twice shy. <br />I think the compelling factor defining any impact is in section 2, subsection 1 where it says "in a measurable amount that will effect human health or welfare, or any stage of the life cycle of salmon" I'm sure they could have spent the time to delineate all of the specific exposure limits for each and every chemical released by mining, but as you pointed out, there are already existing standards which list specific levels. <br />I also find it curious that there is an insistance that this measure is designed to effect current mines in this state, when the measure specifically states it is not intended for mines that are already permitted. <br />I did not originally comment on the pro's or con's of this measure because I know that attempting to convince anyone fully engage enough in the voting process to comment in this forum to change their views would be foolish. My point was that voters need to do their own research and make up their own minds, and to not rely on the advertising which is by nature, skewed. <br />You keep referring to the term "impacts" as attributed to the ballot measure. Are you sure you are getting your information firsthand from the text? I really don't see that phrase used in the measure. It refers to "measurable amounts that will effect human health or welfare" which to me can be correlated to current standards for exposure. <br />I agree that the measure is vague, and probably could have spent years in committee being exhaustively written and rewritten to specify every level of exposure to every chemical, but as you stated, we already have exposure regulations. <br />It seems to me that this ballot measure is directly aimed at preventing the creation of a gigantic open pit mine, and holding ponds which have been historically proven unreliable, on top of the Bristol Bay fishery. I really don't think the Legislature holds ill will or some dark agenda against the existing mines, which have operated for years with no environmental catastrophies. <br />I'm actually pleased to see something like action emerge from the legislators, rather than bantering around in committee until the measure is obsolete. <br />If this measure is truly bad for Alaska, it is my hope that voters, upon reviewing the measure for themselves will make an educated decision. I just don't want the voter's swayed by suggestions that this will be the death of mining, or for that matter some silly cartoon fish. Just decide for yourselves on the merit of the measure. <br />that if we're going to "Save The Salmon" the only possible means is a shutdown! <br />We must shut down commercial and sport fishing entirely. The senseless slaughter must stop. 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I am not trying to be insulting but the initiative is written so vaguely that there is no clear definition of impact, whether good, bad, or indifferent, it just says any impact. <br />I also like how the proponents say this isn't about mining it's about fish and people, good spin there to when we've been under the same guideline's everyone else has since the epa was founded.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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